What’s On Pastor Moses’ Mind?
Pastor Moses’ theology doesn’t seem to add up. On one hand he is happy to say that Christians are not obligated to the law, but on the other hand he says tithing is still an obligation that Christians need to keep. His rationale for believing this actually makes no sense, but, as it seems, he doesn’t have any intention of changing his mind.
John wonders why Pastor Moses doesn’t realise just how dangerous this is to the church, as the Apostle Paul said, if you want to keep one part of the law then you are obligated to keep all of them. John thinks it’s just a simple gospel truth, and that Pastor Moses should know by now that you can’t leave out the laws that are weird or awkward to follow, but still keep preaching the ones that get people to open up their wallets.
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Yogesh Kumar
@ Rob: "………God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden He spoke the Ten Commandment Law to them."
2 Cor 3 Paul calls the law, the ministry of death, the ministry of condemnation. It says the letter kills but the spirit gives life. God did not speak the message of death or condemnation to Adam and Eve in the Garden He only spoke life to them. Cain knew what is wrong and right not because God had passed the law through adam, but because adam had part took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you see, its adam who named his sin after that.."I was naked, and i hid myself". "God says who told you that you were naked.." Genesis 3:10-11. God never intended to preach the law to His children. He is God of all Grace. God gave the law so that people might come to the end of themselves..that they might stop trusting in their own goodness.
James
@Rob,
nor should we mix up “sin” with “law” –
The law is not a set of rules that bring death in and of themselves; they bring knowledge of what sin is to a people that were too far removed from God to know otherwise. Cain was not yet so far removed from God.
The law of Moses is really not even so much of a set of rules, per say, as an outline/description of Who God Is. Cain knew who God is and had immediate conversation with Him. After the flood, people did not have direct contact (except in rare cases -eg Abram) so the law was necessary as a corrective to the habits and, dare I call them, reflex actions of the people. Yet Jesus says, and Paul confirms, that if we are to love – with God’s love (not ours, which is too shallow) then we have fulfilled the law. We live up to the Spirit of God and He will make His home with us – this is life!
John 14:23 “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.”
LLC
At least Pastor Moses get one thing right about tithing. I just wonder how can he live like this because he is confuse. and if the leader is confused, the whole church is somehow ended in babylon(confusion).
Rob
The law had to be established in the Garden because Cain knew what sin was, and it was wrong to kill, as well as all the Antediluvians. God would not have cursed Cain or destroy the Antediluvian world if the Ten Commandment Law hadn’t been established first. The point I was making with Cain and Able is that when God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden He spoke the Ten Commandment Law to them. The Law was passed down from generation to generation by oral tradition until God wrote it down on tablets of stone. I didn’t mean to get all theological it’s a pastor thing. The Comic was funny!
Rob
If the Law wasn’t given until after tithing then how did Cain know it was wrong to kill Able? Cain even tried to cover up his sin.
mick
Hi Rob, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, can you clarify your question for me? Thanks mate.
Joe Sewell
Do note that Paul does say that a worker is due wages, and that God still loves a cheerful giver. Giving isn’t wrong, but the motivation can be.
mick
That’s true Joe, it’s wonderful to give, but let’s make sure we don’t mix the definition of giving together with the definition of tithing. They’re not at all the same thing, one is an act of grace, the other is part of the Old Covenant Law.