Martin Zender Interview

March 3, 2011 — 40 Comments

Martin ZenderThis week I interviewed Martin Zender, known by many as ‘the worlds most outspoken Bible scholar’. Martin is the man behind the video clips ‘the crack’o’dawn report’ that shares, often in a very funny way, some really deep and challenging questions about what we believe, and why we believe them.

Martin is a radical kind of guy. He is definitely out of the box. I like the fact he is causing his listeners to think about things in a different way then they have traditionally be told to believe.

I also asked Martin about his views on the somewhat controversial topic of heaven and hell, as this seems to be a very big question within the global Christian community at the moment. I thought it would be a good idea to ask Martin about his views, as he is known for his standpoint of the ultimate salvation of all mankind, as well as why and how he came to believe so.

I hope you enjoy the interview. You can also learn more about Martin at his website:

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40 responses to Martin Zender Interview

  1. I have kept track of Martin’s books and videos,newsletters for a few years not – and love all the books i’ve read – ie ‘the really band thing about free will, how to stop sinning while smoking a cigarette, flawed by design, martin zender goes to hell

    and i usually agree with him on most things and love his sense of humour…however i find it bizarre his belief that Jesus is not God and that the trinity is not a reality…..

    • Hey Jeremy, I haven’t heard, nor read that about Martin Zender, but perhaps I’ll ask him about it in my next interview and let him explain it himself. I’ve been reading through a few of his books lately, and I did enjoy them, the humor and also the insight. I’d say I too don’t agree with everything, but on a whole I love his genuineness in his pursuit to understand the reality of Christ has accomplished and his passion to share. Personally, I’m looking forward to my next interview with him. A few people have brought up some questions that I’ll try my best to raise in the interview and let Martin share his thoughts on them.

  2. Martin Has really been a great help in my life as well. He and I have had some short email discussions on quite a few matters and I love how he puts things quite simply and it makes so much sense that reading and understanding the scriptures have never been so clear in my life. I grew up in the A of G and I really saw no love behind the words they preached in that denomination. Honestly, I didn’t see it in ANY denomination. Sure they preached God is love, but they very rarely DID anything to back that up. My dad as an A of G preacher and honestly, he was and is a horrible person. All I know is that I would see contradiction after contradiction and there were no answers straight from the bible that literaly said what they tried to convince me of. I searched for wel over 10 years and then in 2007 God began to reveal His truth of the Salvation of ALL mankind first through my Friend Dale Thompson. Then while having a discussion on one of his threads on FB somebody posted a video from Martin Zender. Cautiously I checked it out and then I watched more and more and He was literaly saying everything I have ever felt in my heart and answering every question I ever had THROUGH LITERAL SCRIPTURE. I saw even more how the word of God just completely dismantles the doctrines of eternal torment and eternal annihilation. I am even writing about these things myself. I thank God everyday for the hope and faith He has given to me to believe. Honestly I didn’t choose to beleive this. I didn’t “FIND” this truth. It found me. It was like waking up out of a nightmare of fear and death and into a life of hope and boldness in truth from scripture after scripture. God used mArtin in a big way inmy life. I will always be thankfull for that. GOd bless you Mick and God bless Martin for being obedient and teaching the truth.

  3. I’ve read all of Zender’s books and wasn’t disappointed. I was introduced to this wonderful truth in 1999 before I even heard of Martin but he brought a lot to the table.

  4. One more thing Debbie, the fire won’t purify anyone, Christ will. Just like He makes believers righteous now, He’ll make those in the lake of fire righteous then. As in Adam, all are dying, even so in Christ, shall all be vivified.


    • How come Enoch didn’t ‘die’? He was born of Adam too.

      • Hi Debbie,

        Enoch did die, read Hebrew 11

        “By faith Abel…” (vs 4)
        “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death…” (vs 5)
        “By faith Noah…” (vs 7)
        “By faith Abraham…” (vs 8)
        “These ALL DIED in faith…” (vs 13)

        Verse 5 does not say Enoch didn’t die, but that he should not SEE death.

        The word translated ‘see’ is ‘idein’ in Greek and it literally means ‘to see with perception’, ‘to be perceiving’.

        Evidently God transferred him to another place away from the violence and death that surrounded him (see Gen 5:21-24 and Gen 6:11)

        Hope this helps.

        Grace and peace to you


  5. I too, like Debbie above, was raised on eternal (aion and aionion/aionios) being eternal. But in 1998, God showed me differently. Now I rejoice in a truly awesome God. Debbie, He is the God of the eons. He created the eons, so yes, He is the eonian God. It helps here to read literally. He is the eonian Placer. Theos literally means “placer” or “subjector”. Scripture was written with a view toward the eons.

    Life for believers is for the eons. We will have eonian life. But, at the second coming of Christ Jesus, we will put on immortality and incorruption. Immortality means we will never die. What you’re not understanding is this. Death is temporary (and so are the eons). When Christ abolishes death (at the end of the ages) those in the lake of fire, which is the second death, will be vivified at that time by Christ. All made possible by His work on the cross.

    I’ll not go into free will at this time except to say I don’t have it and I’m sure glad I don’t. For I surely wouldn’t choose God if I did……

    God bless you!


    • Thanks Alan – I’ll chew on that – and yeah like who would seriously ‘choose’ hell either…

      • It’s not really that we would choose “hell”. But without God’s spirit drawing us, we would never choose God. Two verses that really stand out with the profound truth regarding believers vs non-believers are 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 and 1 John 3:8. They go something like this:

        (CLNT) 2 Corinthians 4:3 Now, if our evangel is covered, also, it is covered in those who are perishing,
        4 in whom the god of this eon blinds the apprehensions of the unbelieving so that the illumination of the evangel of the glory of Christ, Who is the Image of the invisible God, does not irradiate them.

        1 John 3:8(CLNT) 8 Yet he who is doing sin is of the Adversary, for from the beginning is the Adversary sinning. For this was the Son of God manifested, that He should be annulling the acts of the Adversary.

        In the first passage, the god of this eon (satan ie the adversary) blinds the lost so the gospel of Christ stays hidden from them. In the second, it’s plainly spelled out that Christ Jesus will undo all the works of satan (the adversary). Which would have to include undoing the blinding of the lost. Otherwise, He wouldn’t be annulling the acts of the adversary.

        The only reason unbelievers don’t believe is because satan blinds their eyes to Christ. They have no say so in the matter. And, corresponding to that, the only way believers believe is that we were chosen out before the disruption of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. And to receive the gratuitous (absolutely free) gift from God. We have no say so in that matter either. Ephesians 1:11 and 2:8-9.

        Unbelievers are no more at fault for not believing than believers are credited for believing.

        Thanks for the discourse Debbie!


  6. I know people don’t like to think the word eternal means forever especially when it comes to the eternal lake of fire. I have heard people believe that once the fire does its work, and you are purified of whatever it was that kept you from believing Jesus in the land of the living, then bingo God will end your ‘punishment’ and when the very last person has come to faith through the fire then God will make the lake ‘disappear’ – so eternal doesn’t mean forever. Now do you reckon we could play the same logic with The ETERNAL God? Does Eternal mean forever when applied to Him or is He just a tempory thing as well until we are all ‘little Christs’ and we no longer have need of Him ‘teaching’ us how to love because we will BE love. We will be One.

    Then again does the word Eternal Life mean the same deal – if eternal death isn’t really forever does that apply to Life? That is just a part of my thought on the ‘eternal fire’ thing.

    I notice Martin has a book about free will that I haven’t read so I am not sure what he means yet listening to him here I have to say Adam had a will and we can read what he did with it and Jesus had a will and we can see what He did with it. One brought death and One brought Life. Yet without faith we cannot please God – it seems Jesus had a truckload of faith – maybe because His wife wasn’t created yet – lol! Seems like God had learned something…yet now she is here visible and He isn’t. Wonder why?

    The Acts of The Apostles can show that even though people are full of The Spirit and proclaiming The Gospel – doing miracles and stuff still not get everyone to respond positively…they too were killed for proclaiming love and life in Christ.

    This will get real long if I keep going I might come back another today and post a different angle. We don’t ‘choose’ we respond. Either yes or no. He is the Saviour of all Mankind yet some want to save themselves or cannot let go of the ‘god’ they already believe in. Think about the riot in Ephesus when after two years of Paul preaching and many trusting in Christ a couple of silversmiths get a bee in their bonnet because sales were down on their little idol things that people bought to worship at the temple of Artemis in Ephesus and the place just went nuts…this was happening everywhere the gospel is preached so my question is what does this tell us? Was Jesus and The Spirit incapable of saving these men or unable to impart faith – maybe there was nothing else the true God could have said to change their heart – Jesus is the final Word. He stands at the door and knocks does He not? He invites… or does He command? Oh boy – more questions just flew through my head so I will stop now…

    • questions are good deb :-) It in the seeking that the spirit can lead us and help us find the answers. Thanks for sharing

    • Debbie, just to answer one of your comments, you say: “so eternal doesn’t mean forever. Now do you reckon we could play the same logic with The ETERNAL God?”

      This might come as a shock, but even when it says “eternal God” it does not mean “the God that will NEVER die”. The term “eternal God” (Rom 16:26) in the Greek is “aionios theos”, and it simply means the “God of the AGES”. In other words, He is the living God Who is constantly and consistently involved with the human race during the AGES of time, according to God’s “Purpose OF the ages” (Eph 3:11 – here again, the word “eternal” is mistranslated in the KJV. It should read “purpose of the AGES”, not “eternal purpose”).

      The phrase “aionios theos” (God of the ages) is not a statement of limitation. He is indeed the “everlasting” God, but He is more importantly, to US, the God of the AGES in which He made (Heb 1:2). The “ages” are finite. There will come a time where there wil be no more “ages”.

      These “ages” are simply segments or intervals of time where God is executing his plan in forming mankind into his perfect image. Each “age” has a unique purpose in ultimately fulfilling this plan. One day, that plan will be fulfilled and God will be “all IN all” – 1 Cor 15:28.

  7. Charles Rogers March 6, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Martin is good on many issues but he does believe a fallacy. If you truly believe that God ordains literally everything as Martin does it makes God the murderer and the rapist. Who is responsible if someone holds a gun in a child’s hand and forces him to shoot? Remember this every grotesque thing that has ever happened is God’s doing according to Martin.

    • Hi Charles, I plan on having Martin back on my show in about a month and I’ll ask him about his perspective regarding your comment. God bless mate.

    • Rachel Eastwell March 11, 2011 at 1:19 pm

      Yeah Charles this is what I struggle with although I’m open to stuff and have really enjoyed listening to others viewpoints and love the way it challenges my thinking.
      The freewill thing, I just cant get my head round, I can see from some scriptures that I have studied before, that it can seem like we have no free will like Acts 17:26-28 and the old classic Romans 8:28 altho that one can be read two different ways imo. For me this way of thinking that God is in control is something i have come out of and it is one of those religious cliches that grates on me when people say ‘well God knows what he’s doing, it all in His hands’ Aargh! LOL!

      But I am open and like I say I look at the scriptures concerning this and searching for the answers.

      • Rachel Eastwell March 14, 2011 at 10:07 pm

        Sorry to rant again but I really cant get the the potential thought that controls everything out of my head.

        I mean what about healing so God’s will is for us to be sick so is there any point praying or even going to the doctors because surely that would be going against his will?! i just don’t get it! The bible states that sickness is from the devil but really God is behind Him, really?

        Sorry Mick rant over, still enjoyed the interview!

        • Rachel you don’t ever have to apologize for asking questions. It is in opening our hearts and asking questions that the Lord can continue to lead us into all truth. You have a wonderful heart, and I’m sure the Lord will walk you into all the answers you desire to find.

  8. “sanctified smart ass!” Love it!

  9. Mick,
    Thank you very much for interviewing Martin. The passion in his voice regarding 1 Timothy 4:10 really resonates with me, as the truths that he shares with us on a weekly basis are truly beautiful!
    I am so grateful for the journey that I am on! GOD gave us this faith now, before He will give it to others because He wants us to have it now! How beautiful it will be when EVERYONE has belief and God is All in all!
    I encourage EVERYONE to purchase ALL of Martin’s books. They are ALL full of moving truths.
    How to Quit Church Without Quitting God is amazing!

  10. I first found out about Martin Zender about a year ago. I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness not believing in a literal hell, then I left that religous system only to join mainstream Christianity but still struggled with the thought of a literal hell where God would burn people for ever. Martins book “Martin Zender Goes to Hell” has given me freedom and a kinder view toward my God and fellow mankind. I also love the book Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. I hope this helps even one person. There is joy in the journey toward our Lord and Savior Jehovah and Jesus. I praise God for sending the Holy Spirit to lead us to all truth!

  11. If Martin comes back on…ask him about the Two Gospels…that opened up the whole scriptures to me and caused me to see that I didn’t know a thing about rightly dividing. Keep Growing my friend into a mature man of God. Blessings on you
    Nathan Slone

  12. Love Martin Zender! Thanks for having on your show, Mick

    • Great interview, thanks for interviewing him. I will have to order your book and give it a read. I love your comic strips, just pinned one up in my cube. Grace and Peace to you Mick!

      • Hi Darron,
        Glad you enjoyed the interview. If you do get around to getting hold of my book and reading it please do drop me a line and let me know what you thought of it. Glad to hear you’ve got a few comics pinned up around the place too :-)

    • it was great to have Martin on the show. Glad to hear you enjoyed listening :-)

  13. Martin’s book ”The really bad thing about free will” is the best book ever at destroying the idea that our ‘will’ can make salvation happen….I recommend it to everyone on the planet…

    very funny but brilliant too!
    always love martin’s illustrations – like the great one in the book ‘How to stop sinning while smoking a cigarette’ – where 2 girls are pictured saying ”I go to church so that Jesus won’t torture me” ..LOL

  14. This interview has literally changed my life forever! I had to pause it a couple times to just cry with relief and thankfulness. I’ve only been on this grace walk a very short time, now, but I am so looking forward to the journey! Praise God!

    I just ordered a couple copies of “Martin Zender Goes to Hell” (as well as his guide to “intelligent prayer”)and will look forward to your interview with him in the hopefully not-too-distant future!

    • Berverly, that is really amazing to hear. I’m excited for you and the journey you’re on. We are all children of God and led by the Spirit. Let the Spirit continue to lead you into all truth. God is with you :-)

  15. Kathy Crawford March 4, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    The very first book I ever bought outside the box of traditional Christianity was Martin Zender Goes to Hell. I first found Martin’s website and his books and honestly, this has changed my mind about God and my world. I have been set free from the error of the doctrine of eternal torment. Since then I have expanded my favorite authors and speakers to include Dan Sheridan and Clyde Pilkington Jr., and in my opinion, the most accurate Bible translation is the Concordant Literal New Testament (CLNT). You can obtain copies at Hope you enjoy your individual journey into truth and that you find this helpful.

  16. @ Deirdre… I’d like to suggest you first read “Martin Zender Goes to Hell,” then “The Really Bad Thing About Free Will.” Those two books dealt with the two BIG false institutional doctrines that were keeping me from being able to understand the universal reconciliation issue.

  17. Wow, this interview is exciting! I see that Martin has several books on his site. Which one would be the best for me to read more about this subject of universal salvation (for lack of a better term)? I want to read about the proof in the scripture for his belief.

    • I haven’t read any of Martin’s books, but I’m going to read ‘Martin Zender goes to hell’ this week. Crazy title, but I think it will be an interesting read. You can also email Martin directly on his website with questions.

    • @Deirdre–My favorites are “Guide to Intelligent Prayer” and “Flawed by Design.” Looks like you’ll have to read them all! :-)

  18. alice scott ferguson March 3, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    glorious good news
    intelligently and persuasively argued
    quite brilliant and echoes through and through my entire being

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