Learning From The Best

7 responses to Learning From The Best

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   Jurgen October 5, 2012 at 5:44 am

   The current system of governance is very lob sided and the reason for that is because the church has confused function with position. Jesus Christ did establish a system of governance in the church and one can see this system even in the Pauline epistles. In truth any organism/ organization does need a system of Governance. This system has to develop from function and not position. A Pastor is a pastor cause he does the work of a pastor, not because of an appointment or a title. Having been on both sides of the fence I understand the neccesity of governance but also the pitfalls of separation and autocracy not theocracy.

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   Trapos September 5, 2012 at 2:39 pm

   embarassing!

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   mick September 5, 2012 at 12:33 pm

   Although Luke’s thoughts and theology seemed to be very well thought through and quite challenging to Eric’s own understanding about the clergy/pastoral system, he has fortunately learnt from Pastor Moses how to deal with such things… What is the secret? Simply ignore what was said and continue to live and act like you never hear anything… it’s straight out of the Pastor Moses leadership for dummies rulebook. Eric has been learning from the best in the business!
   
   “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.” Matt 23:8-10

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   Brian February 2, 2011 at 10:05 pm

   This is precisely why I dislike it when people refer to the pastor in conversation as “Pastor Michael” (or whatever their name is). It sets him (or her) apart from the rest of us and puts them on a pedestal. It also casts us “mere” members of the congregation as inferior in some way. This is neither healthy nor helpful. They are only human like the reast of us and need friends whom they can talk to – which implies equality.

   I refuse to address anybody by using their role as a title. If they try and demand it then I would point them to the scripture you quote, Mick!

   (The same applies to those who label themselves as Bishop … or Apostle … Let the evidence spaek for itself!)

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     Yannick February 4, 2011 at 3:46 am

     I find it awkward though that Jesus said that he was the only one that is ‘the instructor’.

     The whole point in the comment-discussion is, that Jesus gives us the example to lead by humility – those were my initial thoughts.

     but he does point to himself in this scripture – saying ‘the messiah’ is your only instructor… I don’t like that, cause even though I agree with the whole discussion in the comments it doesn’t make sense that jesus is so self-absorbed in this scripture – to me it doesn’t at least – cause then we can follow his example, too – after all we are made sinless by him now as well, so why not proclaim with boldness that we are masters now – but a lot of things don’t make sense to me, so don’t ask me…

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   Crista February 2, 2011 at 8:28 pm

   reading my mail mick : )

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     mick February 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm

     haha,
     yep, people seem to think I am doing that quite a lot

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